than new york, los angeles or private sector workers in chicago. sorry, go ahead. >> right. you know what the problem with that number is? they also include anybody that has a teaching certificate, which are administrators. so you push that number up, that's when you get that kind of number. so they've been using that number disingenuously. but the key is, the average teacher salary in chicago is not $74,000. regardless -- >> what is it? >> the issue is, austerity for us, means we have been used to getting 4% raises so now we're not. the issue is, it's not about the money. it's about what school looks like for all of our members and for our students. and the key is, this whole agenda is out of control, and not only is it out of control, we need to move in a different direction, and we need to move into a much more holistic agenda. because if our children don't have music, art, p.e., world languages, we're going to have a -- just a factory. and the only people that win out of that are the companies that make testing materials. so we would like to see the cultural be broad and rich and
